Comments on: When will electric cars have common power supply for quick exchange? http://www.mainspot.net/when-will-electric-cars-have-common-power-supply-for-quick-exchange/ Automotive Resource and Car Care Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:54:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: High Mileage Diesel Cars http://www.mainspot.net/when-will-electric-cars-have-common-power-supply-for-quick-exchange/comment-page-1/#comment-6898 High Mileage Diesel Cars Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:20:50 +0000 http://www.mainspot.net/?p=730#comment-6898 <strong>High Mileage Diesel Cars...</strong> Today is Sunday and your page on High T3ch " Water Fuel - HHO Gas I discovered when searching for High Mileage Diesel Cars... High Mileage Diesel Cars…

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]]> By: GABY http://www.mainspot.net/when-will-electric-cars-have-common-power-supply-for-quick-exchange/comment-page-1/#comment-1271 GABY Wed, 13 May 2009 15:47:22 +0000 http://www.mainspot.net/?p=730#comment-1271 The cars would have to be designed for fast access and a crane at the station to lift them. A battery with sufficient power to move a car for over 100 miles must weigh a ton. The cars would have to be designed for fast access and a crane at the station to lift them. A battery with sufficient power to move a car for over 100 miles must weigh a ton.

]]> By: answer man http://www.mainspot.net/when-will-electric-cars-have-common-power-supply-for-quick-exchange/comment-page-1/#comment-1270 answer man Tue, 12 May 2009 02:11:31 +0000 http://www.mainspot.net/?p=730#comment-1270 I don't swap out my barbecue propane tank because I might get a crappy one in trade. I wouldn't swap out my 5,000 dollar battery pack for the same reason. I don’t swap out my barbecue propane tank because I might get a crappy one in trade. I wouldn’t swap out my 5,000 dollar battery pack for the same reason.

]]> By: fred http://www.mainspot.net/when-will-electric-cars-have-common-power-supply-for-quick-exchange/comment-page-1/#comment-1269 fred Tue, 12 May 2009 00:34:28 +0000 http://www.mainspot.net/?p=730#comment-1269 The range problem has been solved with packs that give a range >200 miles & can be recharged in 10 minutes. (and if you don't stop for a break after 200 miles then you are driving dangerously) or you could tow a trailer like the long ranger swapping batteries is possible, but there are diffuclties with high current connectors wearing and making poor contact/overheating; plus handeling issues with the weight, and the variable value and condition of the batteries being swapped The range problem has been solved with packs that give a range >200 miles & can be recharged in 10 minutes.
(and if you don’t stop for a break after 200 miles then you are driving dangerously)

or you could tow a trailer like the long ranger

swapping batteries is possible, but there are diffuclties with high current connectors wearing and making poor contact/overheating; plus handeling issues with the weight, and the variable value and condition of the batteries being swapped

]]> By: Tuba in the Rose Parade http://www.mainspot.net/when-will-electric-cars-have-common-power-supply-for-quick-exchange/comment-page-1/#comment-1268 Tuba in the Rose Parade Fri, 08 May 2009 20:08:42 +0000 http://www.mainspot.net/?p=730#comment-1268 OTIS was making busses with battery packs that could be quickly swapped out in the 1970's. By far the most practical battery for cars was the revolutionary Nickel Metal Hydride ("NiMH") battery. Chevron, in cooperation with its partner GM bought the company and patents, and closed the production line. OTIS was making busses with battery packs that could be quickly swapped out in the 1970′s. By far the most practical battery for cars was the revolutionary Nickel Metal Hydride (“NiMH”) battery. Chevron, in cooperation with its partner GM bought the company and patents, and closed the production line.

]]> By: frflyer http://www.mainspot.net/when-will-electric-cars-have-common-power-supply-for-quick-exchange/comment-page-1/#comment-1267 frflyer Wed, 06 May 2009 08:50:34 +0000 http://www.mainspot.net/?p=730#comment-1267 Things like that have been talked about. More likely is that we will have batteries that can be charged quickly and charging stations. Phoenix Motorcars has a battery made by Altairnano, which can be charged in 10 minutes with a special 440 volt charger. It's onboard 110 volt plug in charger takes 6 hours. Another idea that has been discussed is for power companies to buy up used electric car batteries for storing energy. Apparently the batteries will have plenty of life left when they are no longer strong enough to run the car. This could conceivably reduce the up front cost of the car's battery as this would be pro rated, or discounted when the car is sold. Electric cars are already sufficient for use as local delivery vehicles and such. Phoenix sees farmers and ranchers using their utility pickup as job trucks. Also, industrial, construction and mining sites could use them the same way. I think plug in hybrid electrics, PHEV, are the best bet for the time being. Plug in Partners has a lot of info. "Plug-In Hybrids Gas: Optional Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEVs) are outfitted with a battery pack sufficient to power the vehicle from 20 to 60 miles on battery charge alone. Considering that half the cars on America’s roads are driven 25 miles a day or less, a plug-in with a 25-mile range battery could eliminate gasoline use in the daily commute of millions of Americans. The cost of an equivalent electric gallon of gas is estimated to be less than $1.00." "Gets about twice the fuel economy of a conventional vehicle and 30-50% better fuel economy than a standard hybrid Plugs into a standard (120-volt) home electrical outlet to receive charge Depending on design and battery size can be driven 20 to 60 miles without the use of gasoline " "PHEVs outfitted with a battery pack providing a 40-mile electric range could power, using the all-electric mode, more than 60% of the total annual miles traveled by the average American driver." And our electric grid, while not as clean as we would like it, is still much cleaner than using gasoline or diesel. "Additionally, plug-in hybrids, like conventional hybrids, don’t idle when sitting still. Estimates are that in urban driving, idling translates to about 10%-15% of total vehicle carbon emissions." "A motorist driving 9,000 annual gasoline-free miles and 3,000 using gasoline would get 100 mpg (based on vehicles that get 25 mpg)." Things like that have been talked about. More likely is that we will have batteries that can be charged quickly and charging stations.

Phoenix Motorcars has a battery made by Altairnano, which can be charged in 10 minutes with a special 440 volt charger. It’s onboard 110 volt plug in charger takes 6 hours.

Another idea that has been discussed is for power companies to buy up used electric car batteries for storing energy. Apparently the batteries will have plenty of life left when they are no longer strong enough to run the car. This could conceivably reduce the up front cost of the car’s battery as this would be pro rated, or discounted when the car is sold.

Electric cars are already sufficient for use as local delivery vehicles and such. Phoenix sees farmers and ranchers using their utility pickup as job trucks. Also, industrial, construction and mining sites could use them the same way.

I think plug in hybrid electrics, PHEV, are the best bet for the time being.

Plug in Partners has a lot of info.

“Plug-In Hybrids
Gas: Optional
Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEVs) are outfitted with a battery pack sufficient to power the vehicle from 20 to 60 miles on battery charge alone. Considering that half the cars on America’s roads are driven 25 miles a day or less, a plug-in with a 25-mile range battery could eliminate gasoline use in the daily commute of millions of Americans. The cost of an equivalent electric gallon of gas is estimated to be less than $1.00.”

“Gets about twice the fuel economy of a conventional vehicle and 30-50% better fuel economy than a standard hybrid
Plugs into a standard (120-volt) home electrical outlet to receive charge
Depending on design and battery size can be driven 20 to 60 miles without the use of gasoline ”

“PHEVs outfitted with a battery pack providing a 40-mile electric range could power, using the all-electric mode, more than 60% of the total annual miles traveled by the average American driver.”

And our electric grid, while not as clean as we would like it, is still much cleaner than using gasoline or diesel.

“Additionally, plug-in hybrids, like conventional hybrids, don’t idle when sitting still. Estimates are that in urban driving, idling translates to about 10%-15% of total vehicle carbon emissions.”

“A motorist driving 9,000 annual gasoline-free miles and 3,000 using gasoline would get
100 mpg (based on vehicles that get 25 mpg).”

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